Jordan from The Shed Organics and Brian chatted about many things including holism and how important it is to manage the whole. 

'How do you manage that one part once it is part of a bigger whole? I always use the example of water - water is hydrogen and oxygen. if you studied hydrogen and then you studied oxygen until you know everything that was to know about those two elements... they're gases, they're colourless, they’re odourless, they’re part of combustion and explosives, they’re all of those things. And then you tried to manage water.. the first thing you’d say is … don’t put them on fire because you’d kill us! Once you put them together it's a completely different kettle of fish. For management purposes if we don't look at the big picture the parts literally tell us nothing about how to manage.'